The Ladder Points system does not work for Shootmania

[Guyver1]

people buying this game will naturally (and quite rightly) 'assume' that the ranking they see for Storm, Joust, Elite and Heroes is the BEST players in the world/country.

That IS what a ranking system is for after all.

How many new players buying shootmania and seeing the rankings for the first time are going to look at it and say "pfff, that's just the people who play the most"

i call bullshit on that. New players are going to automatically think that the rankings ARE the BEST players, not the ones who play the most.

Nadeo, at no point when you first start the game, or anywhere else for that matter, tell you that the rankings only reflect time played and not actual skill...

duplicitous and dishonest

[Omnixor]

I don't think people are that dumb to not understand how ladder works, at least after first game.

[Guyver1]

I'm talking about people who have never played a Nadeo Game (trackmania etc)

[Guyver1]

I don't think people are that dumb to not understand how ladder works, at least after first game.

This isn't about 'dumb', its about the very basis of what a ranking system is.

a ranking system that ranks players, by definition, would normally rank those players by skill, that's the job of a ranking system in sports/games.

[Omnixor]

WE GOT THAT ALREADY, STOP REPEATING SAME SHIT.

[JayTac]

I'm talking about people who have never played a Nadeo Game (trackmania etc)

You guys are making this out to be more than what it is. This isn't the first game with a bad ranking system. The one in MoH was even worse, Global Agenda's star system was worthless, Nexuiz rankings are flat out bad, there's even a lot of complaints over the system in CS GO. So players are well aware of how these things go and there's no beneficial reason for removing it.

[insomnia-yamyam]

I gonna quote myself from another thread:

I personally think a server-laddersystem like the TM2 is making no sense at all for Shootmania!
All SM-Servers should be 0-50K or updateable to 0-90K or 60-90K and thats it!

If i check the current laddersystem on the playerpage for Shootmania i get shocked
Please stop that insanity to limit the player maximum at shootmania servers!

20 players max on a 70K server .. wtf!?
16 players max on a 60K server .. wtf!?
8 players max on a 90K server for sure (like i know nadeo) ... rofl, sorry.

A shooter with limited player max .. lol .. funkiller deluxe!

Which makes sense for Trackmania does NOT make any sense for Shootmania!

In my opinion is less then a playermax of 24 kinda stupid in shootmania!
The dedi servers can handle a LOT MORE of players without any problem and if some players got lags or got any other problems they should better buy better pc's and better internet connections inestad of nadeo limiting the player max to insanity!

My servers are kinda sleeping even if they are full with 32 players!
Server load and memory usage is a joke. My servers could maybe handle 100+ players. But i limited them to 32 max as more wont make sense as the max map size is too small for 32+ players (in my opinion).

Laddersystem (for server-limits and rules) for shootmania is just useless in my eyes.
I would let the users and server admins decide how many players they wanna accept on their servers, no matter if 60K 70K 80K 90K or 100K server!

But sorry, a shooter server with 8 or 16 player max is a joke for me, then i prefer to stay at 60K at all of our 6 servers before i limit the fun of the players. So i vote for free server limit decision by the server admins.

Only the hardware and ressources of a dedicated server should limit the max player amount and not nadeo!
(for shootmania, in trackmania 2 everything is fine).

But this is only my personal opinion. others may think different.

[insomnia-yamyam]

NADEO:

I am about to set up some 80K servers, but i still believe that the current rule-and-ladder-system (and of course their player limitations) does not work for shootmania at all, as it maybe does for trackmania 2!

So please response to my request to set a higher limit then 16 (which is a joke in my opinion).
I would prefer to set it to a 32-player max. This is a pretty fair amount and working on the most servers without any problem for the hardware- and player-ressources.
Waiting for your confirmation and permission for this. Thank you very much!

Cause setting up a 16 playermax for a 80K server would be absolutly insane and a 8 playermax for a 90K server would be even more ridiculous in my opinion.


So can't wait for your fast, useful and logical optimations at a not realy need ladderserver-system for shootmania.

Hint:
As already said and requested from the most server admins you should NOT limit the player max at all!
There should be - if at all - only limitations for the player max amount on RoC-Servers (100K).