[Thoughts]The good things about B3

[dreammyw0w]

The First 50 of my petition to keep B2 ( also on ESWC ) until B3 is more acceptable.
NADEO, i dont expect you do be impressed or anything. Just know that these are 50 valid opinions and they arent happy with the changes. Keep working on B3 and let us have ESWC with B2.

lala Belgium
Hamster Germany
akroma France
Łukasz Zając Poland
Ivan Ivas Croatia
Burnz France
Lucas France
Mazenot France
Florent Castelnerac Afghanistan
Delmas France
antoni France
Michiel Belgium
Omar Haidara Italy
Justine RoXy
Dautriche France
fana France
Marco Baldonero Italy
Hurbain julien
France stefano Italy
Ludovic France
Jérémy Leprince France
Giorgio Prinzivalli Italy
Leclercq Alexis France
Guinard France
cplay dreammy Belgium
Žiga Sirovina Slovenia
Chris Minter United Kingdom
Hans DM Belgium
J.reynders Belgium
Jesse L. Finland
K. Govaert France
M. De Rijke Belgium
Tom Belgium
glenn Belgium
Marco "NY" Basile Italy
Harry United Kingdom
Gils Belgium
Pirot Belgium
zimmer France
Roo United Kingdom
Kone Germany
Tami Germany
Eduardo Sousa Portugal
Jan Germany
Kirova France
Rom France
sheano Germany
Wajo France
Koen Laenens Belgium
Pontus Norberg Sweden
Andreas Hansen Norway
asd United States of America
Marcel P. Germany
XinOou Belgium



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If u want B2 in events until B3 is better ( or if u dont like B3 at all )&
If u want ESWC to be with B2
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link : http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Keep_B ... 2/?aByWlfb

[Hylis]

Florent Castelnerac Afghanistan

B2 is not the future, and we will not see competitions at the highest level enough to see the real impact with B3 without moving further. it was the same story back in the first days of CS when they turned off the server, even while the 1.6 was running.

New players are on B3 & it's most likely they will enjoy watching what you can do with it, and jump from one mode to another with the same feeling.

Sorry, and really I understand the passion you are putting into this, but there is a need to move forward and observe. I think B3 is still a great game, and by seeing the energy you are putting, I will open eventually discussion on 1 or 2 points on current gameplay to make a new one in September, but surely not make the doomed B2 go up to November. In November, people who would use the same argument as many are serving: we trained so much in B2, would be even more strong for them, even if even more tragic, somehow.

And you still not answered the top level community issue that is runnign way far back earlier than this B2 thing, that you consider really good etc. So, stop asking on this side until I have clear answer on this real issue of the top level. Fix this first.

I am leaving on holidays, with top level to fix this. We will see how we can discuss after. I wish you it will be done, that's the best I can say for your demand.

[dreammyw0w]

well then lets make some sort of compromise & change after ESWC (without any discussion )
So until after ESWC NADEO keeps upgrading B3 and we will give feedback in the meanwhile.

How do you like that? Lets see what people think of that?

[Hylis]

And you still not answered the top level community issue that is runnign way far back earlier than this B2 thing, that you consider really good etc. So, stop asking on this side until I have clear answer on this real issue of the top level. Fix this first.

I am leaving on holidays, with top level to fix this. We will see how we can discuss after. I wish you it will be done, that's the best I can say for your demand.

Your option is positive, and have been tried before, and never worked. It was not test and desire to find next steps, but no tests for real, critics and negativeness. Maybe the progressive jump would not have been accepted in a test, or put as an option. It's a fake to make us believe that. Maybe the microjump itself would have been rejected from tests, since it was much more under critics when it was discovered.

There had been enough insults towards people or creations of people who build something, organize or else. That's top players time to do something, and they have something to fix. That's the priority above anything else. Thanks.

[dreammyw0w]

what is 'top level issue'????? Its a thread about B2-B3...

[andrewcandoall]

I think the teams that care about ESWC should just start training b3. He's not going to change his mind so I have no idea what the point you are trying to make is anymore dreamy. Let's just focus on b3 and ESWC and then see what happens after that.

I think the features are playable and the only things worth arguing are the micro jumps and the wall jumps. He already said the wall jumps aren't going to change so let's just focus on the micro jumps. Instead of saying b3 sucks why not just say give us back our micro jumps after eswc. To me that makes more sense.

[bosnak]

Keep B3. Lower Micro latency. Rest is fine, I have no idea what people are bitching about.

[sadzealot]

I think a lot of people are okay with the new reload. It rewards attackers for good aim. Also makes the game more exciting for spectators.

Yet you complete ignore the discussion about how this affects gameplay.

As stated in my previous post this will make defenders less weary of coming out from behind cover, rotations will be more risky (or won't take place at all) and in general it will make defence play further back and more passive (which Elite is already suffering heavily from if you ask me, and does not make the game more exciting for spectators).

And that's the thing, it might be "cool" and it might be another "element" to the game, but unless that element makes the gameplay more interesting on both sides, or adds depth to the gameplay overall, then it shouldn't be implemented.

And if you ask me, the fast reload is dangerous and will hurt Elite gameplay both from a player and spectator perspective.

Keep B3. Lower Micro latency. Rest is fine, I have no idea what people are bitching about.

Did you ever try walljumps? Did you ever learn to walljump at all in B2? It doesn't sound like it. I'll be happy to do a comparison-video of what can be done in B2 compared to B3 if I thought Nadeo were being serious about wanting to change them in the future.

Sadly Hylis have stated that nothing will be done in terms of walljumps untill atleast november (and then they'll probably need like 10 months to actually fix them too), so it's kind of pointless.

They've said they have more important things to do than fix core mechanics of movement (statements made on this forum again from Hylis. No plans currently to improve on B3 walljumps which he himself found less than satisfactory)

[andrewcandoall]

I think a lot of people are okay with the new reload. It rewards attackers for good aim. Also makes the game more exciting for spectators.

Yet you complete ignore the discussion about how this affects gameplay.

As stated in my previous post this will make defenders less weary of coming out from behind cover, rotations will be more risky (or won't take place at all) and in general it will make defence play further back and more passive (which Elite is already suffering heavily from if you ask me, and does not make the game more exciting for spectators).

And that's the thing, it might be "cool" and it might be another "element" to the game, but unless that element makes the gameplay more interesting on both sides, or adds depth to the gameplay overall, then it shouldn't be implemented.

And if you ask me, the fast reload is dangerous and will hurt Elite gameplay both from a player and spectator perspective.

Keep B3. Lower Micro latency. Rest is fine, I have no idea what people are bitching about.

Did you ever try walljumps? Did you ever learn to walljump at all in B2? It doesn't sound like it. I'll be happy to do a comparison-video of what can be done in B2 compared to B3 if I thought Nadeo were being serious about wanting to change them in the future.

Sadly Hylis have stated that nothing will be done in terms of walljumps untill atleast november (and then they'll probably need like 10 months to actually fix them too), so it's kind of pointless.

They've said they have more important things to do than fix core mechanics of movement (statements made on this forum again from Hylis. No plans currently to improve on B3 walljumps which he himself found less than satisfactory)

bro Bosnak is a professional North America Shootmania player since Alpha stop being elitist towards the North American community you know nothing about us yet you try to insult us. Your ignorance is hilarious. Bosnak has great movement. We have adapted. The gameplay is still exciting here. Stop crying and focus on what can be changed. Hylis stated clearly what he is going to do and judging by his actions you aren't going to get B2 back. That's why we are focusing on what is likely to change. For example, lowering the microjumps. Though your ignorance is beyond words insulting Bosnak a player who has possibly played longer than you (Try around May 2012)

[sadzealot]

bro Bosnak is a professional North America Shootmania player since Alpha stop being elitist towards the North American community you know nothing about us yet you try to insult us. Your ignorance is hilarious. Bosnak has great movement. We have adapted. The gameplay is still exciting here. Stop crying and focus on what can be changed. Hylis stated clearly what he is going to do and judging by his actions you aren't going to get B2 back. That's why we are focusing on what is likely to change. For example, lowering the microjumps. Though your ignorance is beyond words insulting Bosnak a player who has possibly played longer than you (Try around May 2012)

Elitist? I was merely wondering since he thinks B3 walljumps are fine. Also, Hylis have stated several times on these forums that he

1) Thinks that B3 walljumps are less than satisfactory

and

2) He would like to improve B3 walljumps, but they don't know if they have the time (this is the most hilarious part, not knowing if they have time to fix core mechanics of movement they're not happy with)

I'm not crying anything. I'm merely pointing out how stupid it is to call B3 walljumps "fine" over B2. They hurt gameplay by making it slower and less exciting so it's not "fine".

Which is why it has to be asked wether or not he really knows B2 walljumps when he's making comments like that. (Remember when B3 came out and everyone was like "omgomg, walljumps are so much better now, so much easier to do, and now the consesus seem to be that B2 > B3 walljumps. The reason? People learned B2 walljumps and realized how shit B3 is in comparison)

And no, I won't stop crying when I clearly feel Nadeo is killing their own game (which seem to be the consesus around competitive players all over except a few asskissers who think Nadeo will turn around and listen when they've stated that nothing will even be considered changed before November, and by then the game is in the grave)